Q1 2024 Triplepoint Venture Growth BDC Corp Earnings Call

Participants

James Labe; Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer; Triplepoint Venture Growth BDC Corp

Sajal Srivastava; President, Chief Investment Officer, Treasurer, Secretary, Director; Triplepoint Venture Growth BDC Corp

Christopher Mathieu; Chief Financial Officer; Triplepoint Venture Growth BDC Corp

Crispin Love; Analyst; Piper Sandler & Co

Vilas Abraham; Analyst; UBS Group AG

Paul Johnston; Analyst; Keefe Bruyette & Woods Inc

Christopher Nolan; Analyst; Ladenburg Thalmann & Co

Presentation

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Gerber point Venture Growth BDC home First Quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all lines have been placed in a listen only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions and instructions will follow at that time for this conference is being recorded and a replay of the call will be available in an audio webcast on the TriplePoint Venture Growth website.
Company management is pleased to share with you the Company's results for the first quarter of 2024 today. Representing the Company is Jim Raabe, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board, Sajan, Ron Stovall, President and Chief Investment Officer, and Chris Matthews, Chief Financial Officer.
Before I turn the call over to Mr. Rubino. I wanted to direct your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in the company's press release regarding forward-looking statements and remind you that during this call, management will make certain statements that relate to future events or the Company's future performance or financial condition, which are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. You are urged to refer to the Company's most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. The Company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements or projections unless required by law. And investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements made during the call which reflect management's opinions only as of today. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit the Company's website at www.TPVG.com.
Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Bilbray.

James Labe

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to TPV. G's first quarter earnings call. During the first quarter, we continue to navigate through the current Venture Capital Markets. While the market remains slow and deal activity and deal value have yet to improve, there continues to be unique opportunities in this market for us as well as initial signs that overall VC markets may gradually begin to improve. This includes growing demand at TriplePoint Capital from what we believe are quality venture growth companies and companies across the venture stages. Complementing these initial positive signs, we continue to make progress in the first quarter with increased fundraising activity and strengthening performance at our portfolio companies and in building our pipeline setting a strong foundation heading into the second half of this year. As we progress through the year, our focus will be on positioning TPVG for the future while continuing to maintain our strong portfolio yield and liquidity as well as managing the portfolio.
Turning to our quarterly results, we generated net investment income of $15.5 million or $0.41 per share and over earned our regular quarterly dividend since going public in 2014 and including the first quarter dividend, cumulative dividends to shareholders now totaled $15.45 per share over this 10-year period. We've exceeded our dividends on a cumulative basis, and our objective is to continue to generate NI in excess of our regular quarterly dividend. Of note, we also continue to maintain sizable spillover income. During the quarter, we improved our gross leverage ratio to 1.27 times and further enhanced our liquidity based primarily on prepayment activity which included two prepayments totaling $30.8 million.
During the quarter, we continued to manage the portfolio and are encouraged by a number of positive portfolio company developments and an increase in the value of the equity and warrant portfolio. One of these developments was a growing number of fundraising rounds by our portfolio companies, which we believe signals a sign of strength during the quarter, eight of our portfolio companies completed rounds, raising $584 million in aggregate, representing a sizable quarterly as well as year over year increase. Additionally, post quarter, several companies have raised rounds in August. Raising this quarter will continue to prioritize T PBG's long-term position in the venture lending market, and we expect the remainder of the year to be more active to this. And we're continuing on the path of diversifying the portfolio, including the sector and geographic rotation. We've been talking about the last several quarters in many respects, we think of it as being a new crop of investment sectors as well as venture growth company profile, the NVCA. labels, it is a different scale of companies in this environment, investors have become far more cautious and selective, and we believe the new and emerging crop of venture companies as strong a number of venture growth companies have already gone through valuation resets and deal with the market challenges. These are companies have shifted business models. There are more moderate cash burn levels. They have reasonable growth objectives and are projecting path to profitability. We're gaining a great deal of interest and traction from investors. Our focus will continue to be on investing in companies operating in these attractive sectors and ones that have recently raised fresh capital have ample cash runways backing from our select venture investors have proven management teams and whose business models have attractive unit economics and high retention rates. We'll also continue to evaluate hold sizes, debt to equity ratios, steel structures and other key metrics. We're excited by the increase in signed term sheets following the 70% increase in venture growth signed term sheets and we experienced in the fourth quarter term sheet signed by TriplePoint Capital increase an additional 30% in the first quarter to a total of $130.5 million. And here in the second quarter already, we've signed almost $30 million of new term sheets at TriplePoint Capital. Many of the signed term sheets are an investment sectors that are consistent with the same sectors that our select venture investors have and are continue to shift into. This includes AI. cyber security climate in digital health. In addition, there's increased and renewed interest in vertical software, hardware and robotics, semiconductors, Applied Tech, environmental and sustainability technologies in aerospace sorry, aerospace, as examples as we've been citing This includes a number of our portfolio companies that are already operating in the stronger performing categories with some making considerable progress such as core line. Whilst Orbital Hover Arcadia power flash Caldera, overtime and others through both discussions with our select VCs as well as reflecting on transactions. We've recently signed up and others that we're continuing to evaluate in this market on an ongoing basis. New investment activity in particular has pivoted towards No surprise the artificial intelligence applications and infrastructure category. Some of our companies come to mind. For example, Cato, which pairs combinations with Advance AI. that provides data-driven personalized care around the clock and fit on a leading digital wellness platform that serves as an always-on individual full German wellness Coach with no equipment needed Unifor, which introduced the first multimedia AI and data platform built specifically for the enterprise using generative knowledge and emotional AI is another one, although the overall VC markets continue to remain sluggish, particularly for growth stages. There are a few emerging signs of future problems. Dry powder. The undeployed funds and venture capital firms remain significant at $300 billion across the venture landscape on an increasing basis. We are hearing the word optimistic make its way into more conversations with venture capital investors and companies. We're hearing it usually in connection with increased opportunities for new investments, but also on the outlook for future pickup, Invinsa M&A and IPO activity. We believe that once the IPO markets come back and M&A activity returns to more historical levels. It will be a sea change for growth stage companies, especially those companies within our portfolio that are outperforming in this market. It will also attract growth stage investors to return to the market with our outstanding warrant positions in more than 97 portfolio companies and equity positions within more than 46 portfolio companies. We believe we stand to benefit in this additional way to our debt returns when the market returns to better M&A and IPO landscape. In the meantime, we'll continue to position TPVG for when the overall PC market conditions improve TriplePoint Capital. Our sponsor will continue to invest in its people and our platform, including building our organic, our originations and investment teams, portfolio management capabilities and our support staff Triple Point is well positioned to capture that business as overall market conditions improve for now, we'll remain active in the market and plan to continue building a pipeline consisting of venture growth stage companies positioned for strength under current market conditions. These are all critical elements for the long term that we believe position us to build now and create sustainable shareholder value.
With that, I'll turn the call over to Sergio.

Sajal Srivastava

Thank you, Jim, and good afternoon. Investment pipeline activity increased for the third consecutive quarter as TriplePoint Capital signed $130 million of term sheets with venture growth stage companies compared to $100 million in Q4 and $58 million in Q3 reflecting an increase in origination activity by our investment team and an increase in direct referrals from our select venture capital funds. More importantly, an increase in what we believe are high-quality companies looking for debt financing with regards to new investment allocation to GDVG. during the first quarter, TriplePoint Capital allocated $10 million in new commitments with one new portfolio company to TPVG compared to $4 million in new commitments with two existing portfolio companies in Q4 and $6 million of new commitments with three companies in Q3. Clinton made during the first quarter was the fit on an all-in-one health and wellness and preventative care platform here in Q2, we've closed $20.5 billion of new commitments with one new portfolio company in the AI and software industry and one existing portfolio company in the financial technology. During the quarter, TPVG funded $13.5 million in debt investments to three portfolio companies, which is down from $24.4 million in debt and investments to six portfolio companies in Q4 and slightly higher than the $12.7 million we funded to five companies in Q3. These funded investments carried a weighted average annualized portfolio yield of 14.3% at origination, approximately 75% of the fundings this quarter came from new investment origination during the quarter, our quarterly gross funding target continues to be in the $25 million to $50 million range, and we expect to be at the higher end of the range as we increase the allocation of new investments to TPVG over the course of the year. During Q1, we had $30 million of loan prepayments with prepayment related income contributing to an overall weighted average portfolio yield of 15.4%, in line with the past two quarters levels of prepayment activity and portfolio yields, excluding prepayment core portfolio yield was 14.7%, up from 14.4% in Q4 and 14.1% in Q3.
With regards to fundraising activity, as Jim mentioned, eight portfolio companies with debt outstanding raised $584 million during the quarter, up from five portfolio companies raising $157 million last quarter, and three companies raising $47 million in Q3, Margot represented the lion's share of that fundraising activity, having raised approximately $430 million at a $5 billion valuation during the quarter. This data does not include Metropolis or cohesive these announced financings. As we discussed during our last earnings call, we are seeing capital raising activity within our portfolio of picking up and have several portfolio companies either an active fundraising discussions, we're expecting to launch a fund raising process shortly. Approximately $200 million of new capital was raised by our portfolio companies in April alone. We believe this fundraising activity should bode well for the long-term credit quality of our portfolio companies as well as for the potential value of our warrant and equity portfolio.
As of March 31, we held nine warrants in 97 companies and held equity investments in 46 companies with a total fair value of $78 million. Our warrant and equity portfolio experienced a $6 million. Net unrealized gain in fair value were $0.16 per share for the quarter, primarily driven by new equity round valuations, improving public trading multiples and continued financial performance of our portfolio companies as well as improving stock prices for our publicly-held portfolio.
During the quarter, the aligned company was acquired by Orchard technologies, Deere & Company was acquired by full beauty brands and underground enterprises completed the asset sale and liquidation process D and underground were removed from the credit watch list, and we realized losses of $8.9 million from these events, of which $5.1 million was previously recognized on an unrealized basis in prior quarters. During the quarter, two companies were downgraded from category to category three, primarily due to short runway in conjunction with upcoming financing or strategic events already underway and are expected to be either upgraded or removed from the watch list upon completion, one portfolio company TSG holdings with a fair value of approximately $18 million was downgraded from Category three to Category four during Q1 and was acquired here in Q2 alone has been paid off in cash and a seller note in line with our mark for Q1 and will be removed from our watch list in Q2.
One portfolio company Outdoor Voices, which is in the strategic process, was downgraded from Category four to Category five, and we expect the process to be completed in Q2, while our total percentage of category three, four and five investments rose slightly this quarter, we'd like to point out that we expect upgrades to a few of our Category three rated investments over the course of 2024 as a result of achieving sustained profitability and or completing financing events that are underway as well as the fact that we've already removed TFGI. Category four rated loan here in Q2 as a result of its acquisition. Managing our existing portfolio continues to be a high priority for us as a result of increased equity fundraising, increased acquisition activity and improving operational performance by our portfolio companies we expect credit to continue to stabilize over the course of 2024 with the frequency of new credit developments slowing and in certain cases, the potential for upgrading of credit ratings.
With regards to new investment opportunities, as Jim mentioned, we are seeing what we believe are more companies and higher quality starting to come to the equity and debt markets and we believe that these new investments have the potential to be a very strong vintage of venture capital venture lending opportunities. We believe our efforts over the past year to reduce leverage and unfunded commitments to boost liquidity from prepayments and repayments, proceeds from sale under our ATM program, as well as extending and the upcoming renewal of our credit facility for TPVG in a position to take advantage of the improving pipeline of new deals as the year unfolds. We believe that by returning to portfolio growth over the course of 2024 and into 2025 and by continued focus on smaller hold sizes and industry sector rotation with companies that have generally recently raised new equity capital. We will continue along our goals of increased portfolio, durability and diversification. As we look to onboard new loans, we intend to maintain our strong yield profile, not only by maintaining spreads, but also by continuing to incorporate fixed rate investments, which, along with anticipated portfolio growth, will bode well for our ability to continue to cover our dividend.
Finally, as equity fundraising activity continues by our portfolio companies and public market multiples improve, we expect to see improvement in the fair value of our warrant and equity portfolio.
In closing, we remain focused on our business and will continue to follow our long-term playbook of generating strong returns for fellow shareholders. And we look forward to what's in store for TPVG and our shareholders for what we believe will be improving conditions in both the overall venture capital and venture lending markets over the course of 2024 and 2025.
With that, I'll now turn the call over to Chris.

Christopher Mathieu

Thank you, Sergio, and hello, everyone. During the first quarter, we made notable progress on a number of financially focused efforts, which we believe have improved our overall position. We generated strong interest income from our diversified loan portfolio. As expected, we intentionally had another great quarter of originations and fundings. We over earned this quarter's dividend, and we also improved leverage to 1.27 times on both the gross and net basis. At the same time, we made further progress reducing unfunded commitment levels in the first quarter from $118 million to $73 million. And as a result, TPVG has ample liquidity at the ready to support our existing portfolio companies, satisfy our unfunded commitments and make selective new investments for the first quarter, total investment income was $29.3 million with a portfolio yield of 15.4% as compared to $33.6 million with a portfolio yield of 14.7% for the prior year period. The decrease in total investment income was primarily driven due to lower average debt portfolio as compared to a year ago. For the first quarter, total operating expenses were $13.8 million as compared to $15.1 million for the prior year period. These expenses consisted of $7 million of interest expense, which was lower this quarter due to reduced overall leverage, $4.3 million of base management fees, $611,000 of administrative expenses and $1.8 million of G&A expenses, which were generally flat to last quarter due to the shareholder friendly total return requirement under the incentive fee, there was no incentive fee this quarter. Further, we expect limited incentive fee expense during the remainder of 2024.
For the first quarter, net investment income totaled $15.5 million or $0.41 per share compared to $18.6 million or $0.53 per share for the prior year period. For the first quarter, net realized losses on investments totaled $8.8 million. This was primarily in connection with the write-off of investments of two portfolio companies. Of note, $5.1 million or 58% of the realized loss on these companies was previously included in unrealized losses and was reclassified from unrealized to realized in the quarter. As such, $3.8 million of the realized loss in 2024 had no impact on net asset value in the quarter. For the first quarter, net change in unrealized gains on investments was $1.3 million, consisting of $6.2 million of net unrealized gains on the warrant and equity portfolio resulting from fair value adjustments and $4.9 million of net unrealized gains from the reversal of previously recorded unrealized losses from the investment portfolio that were realized during the period produced by $9.8 million of net unrealized losses on the debt portfolio resulting from fair value adjustments. As of quarter end, net asset value was $341 million or $9.2 per share compared to $346 million or $9.21 per share as of year end, we declared a regular quarterly dividend of $0.4 per share with a record date of June 14 to be paid on June 29. In addition to over earning the dividend. We continue to retain sizable undistributed income, which totaled $42.3 million or $1.12 per share at the end of the period, not just an update on unfunded investment commitments, overall liquidity and balance sheet leverage. We successfully reduced our unfunded commitments from $118 million at year end to $73 million at quarter end. As of quarter end, total liquidity was $312 million, consisting of $1 million in cash and 312 -- sorry, $311 million available under the revolving credit facility, we had $30.8 million of prepayments and $6.8 million of scheduled principal amortization, generating $37.6 million of liquidity during the quarter, we continued to maintain a diversified capital structure. As of the end of the quarter, a total of $434 million of debt was outstanding, consisting of $395 million of fixed rate investment grade notes and $39 million outstanding on our revolving credit facility, which has a $350 million total aggregate commitment we paid down our revolving credit facility, improved our overall leverage during the quarter. We ended the quarter with a leverage ratio of 1.27 times this week, we entered into an amendment to our credit facility, which extends the revolving period into Q three so that we can finish documenting the annual renewal of the facility. We expect that the new revolving period will mature on November 30, 2025, with final maturity on May 31 of 2027. Existing lenders are engaged in driving to documentation closing in an orderly manner. We have three steps to the ladder of term debt maturities with the maturity scheduled to occur in 2025, 2026 and 2027. The most near term is $70 million maturity in March of '25, given the very attractive 4.5% fixed interest rate on this balance expect to keep this balance outstanding until its scheduled maturity depending on market conditions. At that time, we expect to either issue a new tranche of similarly-sized notes in Q1 of 2025 or use our revolving credit facility to pay off those notes at maturity. Later this year, we will evaluate the refinancing of the two remaining maturities, which include $200 million of 4.5% fixed rate due in March of 2026 and $125 million at 5% fixed rate and due February of 2027 to allow ample opportunity and time to consider cost effective alternatives. Given the very favorable rates on the existing notes, we do not expect to prepay or refinance these amounts until near their original maturity dates in connection with the term notes. Dbrs assigned an investment grade credit rating in connection with those transactions and recently reported a triple-B low rating and investment grade issuer rating. In addition, DBRS increased its outlook on TPVG. to stable.
So this completes our prepared remarks today. And So operator, could you please open the line for questionsat this time?

Question and Answer Session

Operator

At this time for everyone to ask a question, please press star then one to remove yourself from the queue, please press star then two to the first question comes from Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Well done, pay everyone.
Good afternoon of first one on the the credit facility. I appreciate the update there. Q actually two parts sort of can you touch on what what has set up issue of dealing to finish documentation?
I don't think we've come across that issue if that's routine or something, some more related to recent performance. And then, Chris, I think you flagged last quarter that some of the paydowns was planned some to to satisfy or eventually satisfy, but until then come to pay down for the diversification test, correct me if I'm wrong, if that's still the case, or are you at a point where you're able to draw or or how far from that would you be given the current portfolio thing?

Christopher Mathieu

Great.
Yes.
So let me take let me take both of those. So the timing on the credit facility, all the syndicate partners are engaged and the commitment levels will remain the same. It really was to do with our year end financial reporting and getting the documentation done. So it was the close proximity to our issuance of our K. We didn't get there, the approvals and the documents done. So they're going through that. I would say the normal cadence, we just added another 30 or 60 days to the the time period to get the documentation done to avoid the drama associated with doing that in the ordinary course.
And the other question you had on We we have no need anymore to gross up the balance sheet. We don't have any non-qualifying assets in the unfunded commitment bucket. Any longer that was cleared out over the last two or three quarters. So we successfully paid down the credit facility right after the end of the quarter of Q. one and did not need to gross up the balance sheet again. So that issue is behind us. And as Jim mentioned about the diversification of geo and sector specific opportunities in the future, we don't expect currently that that would would return to be an issue. So you should expect on gross and net leverage to be more tightly coordinator as opposed to the outlier that you saw in the prior couple of quarters.

Okay, great.
Thanks.
And just a follow-up for. So social is down like come. It's more constructive on the VC funding that backdrop. I think you flagged a few examples on portfolio companies seeking and or attaining financing from some from the outside. We hear we hear the storylines figures like this from all the venture BBDC.'s every quarter and it's hard to really tell what it means. So if you were to communicate just more in, say, plain English or give some anecdotal examples of how much the fundraising is improving for companies that need it that would allow for a more, you know, constructive or comfortable outlook on our end. Any anything you're able to do there would be appreciated. Thank you.

Sajal Srivastava

And I can let me start with, and I think that the data shows that the overall DC market continues to be challenging. So let's just be clear at VC fundraising investment activity was either flat or down Q1 to Q4. So the VC investment continues to be slow and we're hoping to see that pickup. I think as Jim said, there are certain sectors or certain pockets where we're seeing more activity than others. But to be very clear, it is still very tough market and the VC world, what we're we're excited about are pleased with it within our portfolio, we're seeing our portfolio companies increase the frequency and the magnitude of their equity fundraising efforts, which I think is very important in terms of, as we said, overall credit outlook and credit quality. And I think the other good news is not only are the sizes of the raise is increasing, but it's also companies across the credit ratings. So it's not just you know, the category one and category two, and we've got Category three portfolio companies raise equity as well. And so I think the distribution and the fundraising activity the size of the fund, raising the frequency of the fund raising it all are important. Again, initial indicators. It doesn't mean we're out of the woods. But as we've said, we expect credit to stabilize over the course of '24. And we think these are all positive data points.
And then here in Q2, again, seeing continued strong equity fundraising activity by our portfolio companies is a positive sign.

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Yes, apologize. I apologize.
And our next question comes from Crispin Love with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Crispin Love

And I appreciate you taking my question first, can you just discuss your views on the net investment income and fundings trajectory? And when do you think you could be north of that $15 million quarterly number, I think still same kind of $25 million to $50 million, just given the portfolio has decreased, decreased for four consecutive quarters. Do you think you're getting back to a point where you can begin growing the portfolio? And then also, what are your expectations for NII. per share with just sitting above the dividend in the most recent quarter.

Sajal Srivastava

And let me start with fundings that Christmas is scheduled here. So so again, we continue to have our target of $25 million to $50 million. I think we're focused on our target of $25 million to $50 million. Now we're mindful, obviously, of our leverage ratio. And so as we look to what funds that $25 million to $50 million, it's a combination of contractual portfolio repayments, prepayment activity as well as use of our ATM. And so we want to obviously manage our expectations there. And I think a combination of that too is also as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, as we increase the allocation for new investments, then that will enable us to be towards the higher end of that range. I think we don't want to over set expectations in terms of exceeding that range?
I think no, again, let market conditions continue to stabilize and improve, and I think we can have a conversation about exceeding it. But I'd say right now, we're our goal is to use that liquidity that we have and expect to have to yes to maintain the range that we've targeted.

Crispin Love

Okay, great.
And then I guess just any expectation on NII. per share going forward, just sitting pretty close to that?

Christopher Mathieu

Yes, Christian, this is Chris. So when we think about kind of the long term view of NI is I guess I would describe it as we think of a lot of different components there, kind of top line yields and certainly you heard our news today, no change in prime rates. So I think you know, our our storyline on top line yields are stable and strong. When you think about prepayment frequency size and vintage vintage matters. We've spoken about that in the past when a loan prepays that has only been around the half. That's why there's a lot more additional fee income or accelerated fees that we can enjoy. So that's we know prepayments are a natural part of the venture lending model, and we look forward to them and they typically have been coming in one or two a quarter. We have line of sight on it on a couple that we've spoken about in the past.
And then I guess the other part is cost of capital or cost of debt. And as I mentioned, our term debt right now for the next two and three plus years is pretty locked in at attractive pricing so when we think about cost of debt on the existing balance sheet, we're in a good place there. And the other variable, I guess I would say is on the operating expense side. So we've had some volatility from excise tax in 2023, given the over-earning of the dividend. We've had a couple of quarters where we had some legal fees from some workouts. So it's those type of things that we think about when we look at covering of DNI threshold that we've been at. So and of course, the likelihood of incentive fees in coming back. So we reported no incentive fee this quarter. It looks like based on where we are from a now decline over 2023, that it looks like it will take at least a few quarters to have that come backs all that. That said, accretive, you have a pretty stable NI and dividend.

Crispin Love

Okay.
All Great, Chris, thank you. And then can you just give an update on where leverage is today? Is it safe to assume it's pretty close to where it was at the end of the quarter?
And are you able to utilize the credit this credit facility today to fund investments?
I'm not sure I missed that.

Christopher Mathieu

Yes, yes, we are at the same level of leverage now maybe slightly less today. And then as far as use of the facility, we have full use of it. We are in advance and borrow in the ordinary course, it's fully compliant and full in full use and the revolving period is in good order. So there's no restrictions or limitations on that use.

Crispin Love

Okay, great. Thanks.
I appreciate you taking my question.

Operator

Thank you.
And our next question comes from Vilas Abraham with UBS. Please go ahead.

Vilas Abraham

Hi, everybody, and thanks for taking the question. Tom, you touched on this a little bit with your previous answers, but just on the new money yields versus the existing portfolio yield, can you just talk about that? It sounds like you think it's going to be stable. I thought I saw there might be some compression in the levels there. Just you just talk about the spreads and any dynamics there that we should be thinking about moving forward.

Sajal Srivastava

Idelalisib central?
Yes, I would say. So our new asset yield is been pretty consistent, 14.3%, so generally stable. And we continue to expect that to be stable for a couple of reasons. One is obviously and we said that prime rate to the current prime rate on our transactions, we have it for those floating rate transactions. We have about 40% of our book is fixed rate investments. And so and then as we look to the targeted rates for what our team originate that. So So I'd say we expect to continue to maintain our your portfolio yield for new assets, so regardless of rate environment.

Vilas Abraham

Okay. And you mentioned fixed rate investments. What's your ability now to to make those kinds of investments? Just given that kind of general expectation is that rates are going to be lower at some point in the next one to two years?

Sajal Srivastava

Yes, I'd say we're opportunistic when it comes it's a function of as we look to overall structure and credit risk of a transaction. So it's absolutely something our deal teams are considering and our credit teams are evaluating and so I would say there's no formula, it's not 100%, but it's yes, very much opportunistic. And depending on the company and the structure, the opportunity.

Vilas Abraham

Okay. And just using just a general message on on NAV, I guess is it fair to say from your comments and kind of interpret that you feel like we are where at a trough year and just given some of the dynamics you're seeing in the portfolio around denim, some of the upgrade you're expecting and dump, I think you mentioned credit stabilization throughout the year that are kind of flat to up here as we go through the year?

Sajal Srivastava

Yes, listen, teams are hard at work, managing the priorities that portfolio's high priority. I think we feel good about the equity fundraising activity. Listen, I think credit is stabilizing, but you know, it's still a very challenging venture to overall venture capital market. And so we want to be mindful and practical and reasonable better expectations. But again, I think we're seeing some positive indicators. We're also feeling good about the public equity markets and at least where those multiples are that as we look to our public or private warrant and equity portfolio, we obviously saw some value accretion here this quarter. And we expect if markets continue to stabilize improve, we would see some more fair value coming that. So I'd say it's a balance, but we don't want to be too optimistic. We want to be real. And this still continues to be a challenging environment, but we're we're doing a good job managing through.

Vilas Abraham

Okay. If I could just squeeze one more in here. You talked a little bit about shift in terms of there in the geography in terms of strategy, have you considered at all a shift in the stage of venture-backed companies you invest in, namely trying to go maybe a little bit later stage? And is that even possible given the triple points setup? Just curious around your thoughts there.

Sajal Srivastava

Yes. Listen, I think as a credit manager, our job is to evaluate all of our performance and investment strategy. So we're obviously always looking at that.
Our performance, I would say you bring up an interesting point, I think in the bigger picture, given the economic environment and the capital markets environment, we are absolutely seeing companies stay private longer. And as a result, we're seeing demand from companies later in the stages I call we call it lower venture middle market are these are EBITDA positive venture capital-backed companies that are coming back to us for follow-on financing or that were companies that were over funded with equity during their venture stages or early growth stages, but now recognize that they're going to be private for longer. And so we're absolutely looking at those opportunities. We're excited about those opportunities assuming the yield profile fits. But yes, we are absolutely seeing from opportunities from later than what we call venture growth, EBITDA positive or lower venture middle market companies. And they absolutely fit into the investment strategy of TVVG. And yes, we are actively I'm deploying capital and looking at opportunities.

Vilas Abraham

All right. Appreciate all the color.

Sajal Srivastava

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.
And our next question comes from Paul Johnston with KBW. Please go ahead.

Paul Johnston

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. Most of mine have been asked, but I have wanted to ask about the [584] raise or so during the quarter for your portfolio companies, I think you said it, but I might have missed company name. I was wondering if that was you'd buy me? I'm just one particular.

Sajal Srivastava

Yes, Paul, it was one a month. We raised [430] of the [584].

Paul Johnston

Got, thanks. And then how much how much ability do you have to kind of push on those borrowers that are running up, you know, to their kind of maturity dates?
We're getting tight on our cash runway. I mean, how much ability do you have push there go back to market raise, of course, possible even unlikely to be a doubt?

Sajal Srivastava

Yes, it was. And our approach is to be proactive. So it's before they are pushing up against short runway or pushing up against the maturity wall. So I think our approach has always been and we pride ourselves on the collaboration with not only the companies, but their sponsors are selected.
We see.
So our goal is to be as proactive as possible and to encourage them to raise capital either internally and externally. So I would say we are absolutely encouraging. And I think the sponsors that he sees as well and the entrepreneurs, everyone is realistic and wants to where it makes sense. And so I'd say it's very, very much a collaborative conversation, but the key is to do it before runway gets short. The challenge is what we see in this environment is these events are taking longer. And so that's the key is companies are in process around used to happen within a matter of months. And now it's taking longer. We're seeing term sheets may not necessarily close. So it's being proactive during that process of fund raising that it's important from a credit management perspective.

Paul Johnston

Got it.
Appreciate that. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you.
And our next question comes from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

All my questions for that.
Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Woodbury for any closing remarks.

James Labe

Thanks, operator. As always, I'd like to thank everyone for listening and participating in today's call. I hope you found it helpful. We look forward to updating you and talking with you again next quarter. Thanks again, and have a nice day. Good Bye.

Operator

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