Q4 2023 Ardelyx Inc Earnings Call

Participants

Caitlin Lowie; VP of Corporate Communications and IR; Aredelyx Inc

Mike Raab; Presidet & CEO; Ardelyx Inc

Susan Rodriguez; Chief Commercial Officer; Ardelyx Inc

Presentation

Operator

(audio in progress) and welcome to the Ardelyx fourth-quarter and full year 2023 financial results conference call. (Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to Caitlin Lowie, Vice President of Corporate Communications and Investor Relations at Ardelyx. Please go ahead.

Caitlin Lowie

Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to our fourth-quarter and full year 2023 financial results call. During this call, we will refer to the press release issued earlier today, which is available on the investor section of the company's website at ardelyx.com.
During this call, we will be making forward-looking statements that are subject to risk and uncertainty. Our actual results may differ materially from those described. We encourage you to review the risk factors and our most recent annual report on Form 10-K that was filed today. It can be found on our website at ardelyx.com. While we may elect to update these forward-looking statements in the future, we specifically disclaim any obligation to do so, even if our views change.
Our President and CEO, Mike Raab, will begin today's call with opening remarks and an overview of the company's progress during the fourth quarter of 2023 and the full year 2023. Next, Susan Rodriguez, Chief Commercial Officer, will provide an update on the performance of IBSRELA and XPHOZAH. Our Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Laura Williams, will then discuss and expose a real-world evidence study announced today. Justin Renz, Chief Financial and Operations Officer, will conclude today's prepared remarks with a review of the company's performance during the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2023, before we open the call to questions.

Mike Raab

With that, let me pass the call over to Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call. I feel like I've said this every quarter, but we are really excited to be here to discuss our progress and performance.
The fourth quarter was significant, as was all of 2023, as we continue our evolution as an integrated biotech company, bringing two first-in-class products to patients. IBSRELA and XPHOZAH are demonstrating favorable market response with high healthcare practitioner interest and continuously expanding adoption.
In November of last year, we launched XPHOZAH, and the market response, both in terms of treatment uptake and direct feedback we received from the field, has validated what has always been clear to us, that physicians and patients have been waiting for a novel mechanism option to help control serum phosphorus.
As you will hear from Susan, all the indicators we track early in launch point to a strong uptake. Additionally, as we announced today, as part of our commitment to continually build our understanding of the clinical utility of our products, we are conducting a real-world evidence study designed to capture the impact that an XPHOZAH-based regimen can have on the treatment of hyperphosphatemia. Laura will review more details about the study during our call today.
Turning to IBSRELA, in January, we shared our enthusiasm for our commercial progress we are making and that our expectations for IBSRELA are high. We shared that we believe IBSRELA has the potential to become a billion-dollar drug. The patients are there, they need relief, and many of them continue to experience symptoms despite treatment with incumbent therapies, clearly reinforcing the need for novel treatment options like IBSRELA.
IBSRELA's mechanism of action, solid clinical data, and a growing user base of positive experience is resonating, driving expanding consideration and adoption by more and more healthcare practitioners. With patients' positive experiences with IBSRELA, HCPs are beginning to change how they engage with and treat their IBS-C patients as they are expanding their use of the therapy.
In addition, the path for access is established. These are the fundamentals of our commercial strategy, and they are working. As we noted in January, we will always look to expand the opportunity and to ensure our medicines get to those patients who need it. Thus, we are thoughtfully investing in expanding our commercial reach.
We are also thinking about what the future of Ardelyx will look like, and we find ourselves in a unique and enviable position. We have options. With both XPHOZAH and IBSRELA approved in the US and doing well, we are engaging potential international partners to bring these products to patients in other global markets.
In addition, with our established and proven commercial organization, we are merging as a partner of choice for development-stage assets in therapeutic areas where patients continue to have unmet needs. And with our successful track record of discovery, development, and regulatory approvals, we also have the opportunity to develop earlier-stage assets ourselves.
These activities are ongoing, and we look forward to sharing more information when appropriate. In the meantime, our top priority is to focus on sustaining the commercial momentum of IBSRELA and XPHOZAH.
I will now hand the call to Susan to share an update on our commercial performance. Susan?

Susan Rodriguez

Thank you, Mike. It is great to be here today to share a commercial update on both IBSRELA and XPHOZAH. Let me start with IBSRELA.
IBSRELA has established a unique position within the IBS-C treatment paradigm and is changing the way the HCP community treats patients with IBS-C. HCPs that we have reached with our messaging are responding favorably to the differentiated mechanism of action and clinical data profile, adopting IBSRELA, and continuously expanding their use based on the patient responses they are seeing.
Significant opportunity exists to continue to expand awareness, knowledge, and uptake across our target market. Our research has demonstrated that when HCPs become aware of IBSRELA and its first-in-class mechanism, they begin prescribing. And the more they see, hear, and learn about IBSRELA, the more they prescribe and expand their thinking of patients who are candidates for IBSRELA.
The fundamentals driving IBSRELA's growth momentum are strong. IBS-C is a condition of multifactorial pathophysiology, and patients need multiple mechanism therapies to improve treatment outcomes and provide additional relief. Prior to the launch of IBSRELA, there was a single class of drugs available for patients with a large unmet need across patients whose symptoms persisted despite treatment with these therapies.
IBS-C prescriptions are concentrated across an accessible group of HCPs who have demonstrated to be very responsive to both our field-based sales team as well as our omni-channel digital engagement program. A favorable access profile is established. Interest is high. Response to the IBSRELA profile is driving adoption. Favorable treatment experiences are driving expanded use, which in turn is driving a continuously expanding view of patients who are candidates for IBSRELA therapy.
We continue to see consistent, persistent growth of IBSRELA across all key performance metrics. New prescriptions are growing. Refill prescriptions are growing. New riders are growing and use across the existing rider base is persistently growing. These foundational elements will be leveraged and built upon as we increase our investment in IBSRELA in 2024. You can expect to see continued steady growth throughout the year.
Turning to XPHOZAH, at just three months since launch in November, we are very pleased to see the market responding as we anticipated. The high level of awareness, interest, and intent to adopt has translated into strong initial product uptake. The $2.5 million in revenue we reported during the fourth quarter, but really from mid-November through the end of December, validate that there were patients and physicians who were waiting for first-in-class phosphate absorption inhibitor XPHOZAH as a much-needed option for patients who were not able to achieve target serum phosphorus levels with phosphate binders alone or who were intolerant of phosphate binders.
We are continually hearing from physicians who say that patients who are on an XPHOZAH-based regimen are experiencing positive results. Additionally, patients are responding favorably to the single-tablet, twice-daily dosing profile of XPHOZAH, both when it's being added to their binder regimen or when the HCP chooses to discontinue their binder therapy and initiate treatment with XPHOZAH.
In addition to a positive therapeutic response and patient experience reported by physicians, we are rapidly establishing a favorable access landscape for XPHOZAH. Payers are establishing coverage policies which provide access to XPHOZAH via a prior authorization for patients who are not adequately responding to binder therapy or are intolerant of binder therapy.
Nephrologists report to us that a large subset of their patients meet these criteria and nephrologists are demonstrating a willingness to engage in the administrative PA process to secure access to therapy for these patients as they believe they are in need of a novel mechanism approach. At this point, we are seeing patients access XPHOZAH across all commercial and government payers. In addition, we are seeing patients take advantage of the resources available through our patient services programs, including our copay pay down program and patient assistance program for qualifying patients. Finally, we are also seeing strong market interest and responsiveness to our in-market messaging centered on the novel phosphate blocking mechanism and clinical profile of XPHOZAH. Our XPHOZAH dedicated sales force of 60 are finding nephrology offices across the country welcoming and eager to learn more. Our digital and in-person educational sessions are highly attended and our various omni-channel digital communications are seeing high levels of engagement. These are all positive launch indicators that we believe will result in continued, consistent, and persistent uptake. The foundational elements of the Ardellix commercial approach are all working together and we are incredibly pleased with the performance thus far. What we see is consistent and persistent growth driven by the market need, favorable market access, and key demand creation fundamentals that are delivering on the mission of Ardellix to bring a novel mechanism therapy to patients who, despite treatment with available therapies, are in great need of a new option. It is an exciting time for our team and for Ardellix. The growth momentum we are seeing for both Exrella and XPHOZAH is exciting. The team is laser focused on sustaining this momentum with the strategic intent to reach all patients in need of our first-in-class therapies. I look forward to continuing to share updates with you in the future. With that, I will hand it to Laura. Thank you, Susan. I'm really pleased to join you today. In addition to all the great work that Susan shared with you in support of Exrella and XPHOZAH, we also continue to expand our medical and clinical understanding of our products. Medical education for patients and HCPs, as well as data dissemination via abstract presentations and publications, continue to provide valuable insight and enhance the science around our products and, more generally, within these therapeutic areas, which brings me to one of the data gathering programs that I'm extremely excited about. Today, we announced that we will be initiating a real-world evidence study of XPHOZAH. As we know in clinical development, gaining a real-world understanding of our therapies can vastly increase our knowledge of how these drugs are impacting patients outside of the more controlled clinical setting, complementing our overall understanding of the treatment paradigms for our patients. Real-world evidence studies can shine additional light on the safety, tolerability, and effectiveness of a therapy and provide greater insight into epidemiology, disease burden, treatment patterns, treatment adherence, impact on quality of life, and, importantly, how a new drug like XPHOZAH integrates into a patient's lived experience. We anticipate that these types of data will provide our delics with additional insights to help us support the patient and physician community as they integrate XPHOZAH into their treatment practices. It will also help us develop educational materials for patients to maximize their understanding of the drug and potentially enhance their experience while continuing to highlight the favorable benefit-risk profile of XPHOZAH, and it will also support ongoing discussions with payers. This will be a real-world, long-term, prospective observational cohort study designed to capture the impact of XPHOZAH-based regimens in patients with hyperphosphatemia on maintenance dialysis who were either not controlled on or intolerant of binder therapy. To that end, patients on the XPHOZAH-based regimen will include those who are using XPHOZAH in combination with phosphate binders as well as those who are taking XPHOZAH as monotherapy. We will follow these patients over a period of up to three years to understand the persistence of treatment effectiveness in achieving and maintaining serum phosphors within the guideline-recommended range. This extended analysis period will allow us to also examine changes in treatment patterns, discontinuation rates across treatment regimens, and the impact of an XPHOZAH-based regimen on patient satisfaction. I am very excited about what XPHOZAH may be able to do for our patients, and capturing data in a real-world setting will not only supplement the insights we've gained in our clinical trials, but more importantly, will further expand our understanding and enhance our ability to support the patients and the physician communities who are constantly striving to manage serum phosphorous in the setting of end-stage kidney disease. I look forward to sharing more detail and results from this trial in the future. I will now pass it to Justin. Thank you, Laura. Earlier in January, we pre-announced our product revenue, so I'll use this as an opportunity to review that material and highlight additional key financials from the fourth quarter in full year 2023. What I believe you will hear from the information we have provided today is we find ourselves in a strong financial position. We are well-resourced, we have multiple revenue streams, and we are thoughtfully investing in continued growth. We have total revenues of $34.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, driven by growth in net product sales revenue. On a full-year basis, we reported total revenues of $124.5 million in 2023, compared to $52.2 million in 2022. Our significant year-over-year growth was driven primarily by the strong performance of Indrella. I will now take a moment to walk through the relative contributions of our revenue components during the fourth quarter and full year. First, we had U.S. net product sales revenue of Indrella in the quarter ended December 31, 2023 of $28.1 million, a 26% quarter-over-quarter increase from the $22.3 million we reported in the third quarter. On an annual basis, we recorded $80.1 million of Indrella U.S. net product sales revenue in 2023, compared to $15.6 million in 2022, as a result of consistent and persistent growth in all key metrics. We also reported $2.5 million in U.S. net product sales revenue of XPHOZAH in the fourth quarter following the launch in November. Second, we reported $3 million in licensing revenue in the fourth quarter, bringing our full-year licensing revenue total to $35.8 million, which is comparable to the $35 million in licensing revenue that we recognized in 2022. Finally, we reported product supply revenue of approximately $800,000 in the fourth quarter and $6.1 million for the full year of 2023, compared to $1.5 million during the full year of 2022. Research and development expenses were $9.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $9.1 million for the same quarter of 2022. In 2023 and 2022, R&D expenses were $35.5 million and $35.2 million respectively. Selling, general, and administrative expenses were $47.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, an increase of $28 million from the $19.7 million we reported for the same period of 2022. The increase was due to the costs associated with the continued commercialization and growth of Ipsarella, as well as the launch activities for XPHOZAH. On a full-year basis, total SG&A expenses were $134.4 million, compared to $76.6 million in 2022. We had a net loss of approximately $28.8 million, or 12 cents per share, in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to net income of $10.7 million, or 6 cents per fully diluted share in the same period of 2022. The net loss for the fourth quarter of 2023 includes $5 million in combined non-cash expenses from share-based compensation and non-cash interest expense related to the sale of future royalties. Our net loss for the full year 2023 was $66.1 million, or 30 cents per share, which included $17.9 million of non-cash expenses from share-based compensation, non-cash interest expense related to the sale of future royalties, and impairment of a right of lease use asset. In 2022, we reported a net loss of $67.2 million, or 42 cents per share, for the full year. As of December 31st, 2023, we had total cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments of $184.3 million, as compared to $123.9 million at the end of 2022. This includes $22.4 million in net proceeds that we drew in mid-October from our term loan agreement with SLR Capital, which we announced following the approval of XPHOZAH. In addition to our cash as of December 31st, 2023, in January, we received a $3 million milestone payment from FOSIN Pharma following the U.S. approval of XPHOZAH. We also intend to draw the next $50 million tranche from our term loan agreement with SLR prior to the expiry of this option on March 15, 2024. Now, let me take a few minutes to give you some insights into what we currently expect for 2024. First, as it relates to umbrella, our strong performance in 2023 was driven by consistent uptake for Umbrella across each of our key measures, including new riders and repeat riders, as well as new and repealed prescriptions. Umbrella's performance to date and, as Susan shared earlier, the continued insight from our infield experience has strengthened our confidence in the potential for this product. As a result, in January, we announced we currently expect Umbrella's U.S. net product sales revenue for the full year 2024 to be between $140 and $150 million. As a reminder, our guidance does not include any anticipated XPHOZAH, partner milestone payments, or product supply revenues. As we have continually done since the launch of Umbrella, we have thoughtfully increased our investment as our internal expectations evolved. We began additional planned investments into our sales and marketing in January, including the expansion of our field presence from 64 to 124 dedicated to Umbrella, as well as increasing our spending in marketing initiatives, including additional engagement, product sampling, and our patient support services. As a result, by the third quarter of 2024, we anticipate incurring incremental operating expenses, averaging approximately $20 million more per quarter when compared to our fourth quarter of 2023. We feel confident that our current cash position will support our expected spend, including these investments. We are excited about Umbrella's performance, the early days of XPHOZAH, and the strength of our cash position. We will continue to be thoughtful with how we deploy capital while focusing on maximizing shareholder value. With that, I'll hand it back to Mike. Thanks, Justin. We accomplished a lot in 2023, and we're not yet done, and we're not looking back. 2024 is going to be yet another important and exciting year for our delegates. We are looking ahead, and our team is more aligned than ever on the company's path forward. I will now open the call to questions. Danielle? We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one, on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. The first question comes from Dennis Ding from Jeffries. Please go ahead. Hi. Thanks for taking our questions, and congratulations on all the progress. So, two questions for me. For XPHOZAH's growth to NIC, can you remind us your guidance on that and the various pushes and pulls that could take place in Q1, given you guys have made some comments on things like co-pay assistance and patient assistance programs? And then question number two is also on XPHOZAH, but around HR 5074. I appreciate this is sort of out of your control, but can you elaborate on some of the different scenarios that could come out of this and that you're confident in your ability to manage the business in each of these scenarios? Sure, Dennis. Let me address the second question first, and then I'll pass it off to Justin for some discussion on growth to NIC. You hit the nail on the head. We can't predict what's going to happen in Washington. We're very confident with the approach that we're taking in the business with XPHOZAH, and obviously continue to monitor and participate as much as is practicable in what's trying to be accomplished in D.C. Obviously, the broader questions there in terms of the continued resolution, the government functioning is what the priority is there in D.C., and we will continue to update you and everyone else as when anything changes with the work that's being done there. Justin? Thanks, Mike. Hi, Dennis. So for the fourth quarter, our growth to net deduction was in line with our expectations at approximately 21%. You know, generally speaking, at this stage, it's too early to tell what we can expect with, you know, any high level of specificity or detail. What we can say is, generally speaking, we expect that, you know, we may see a higher percentage of XPHOZAH patients on Medicare compared to Ipsarella. So, you know, due to the government segment rebate dynamics, we expect that the growth to net deduction may be slightly unfavorable for XPHOZAH compared to Ipsarella when it's somewhat early, and of course, you know, we haven't really experienced the seasonality yet because it's obviously the first time we've, you know, watched and started selling XPHOZAH in the first quarter of the calendar year. Got it. Thank you. The next question comes from Chris Raymond of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks, and congrats from us, too, on the progress. Maybe two questions, and they're both on XPHOZAH. So, just on this three-year observational study, you know, at least in terms of the SPIRX data that we get, and I know you guys get that, too, intent to prescribe, you know, is really robust. Awareness, almost universal, and there's just a ton of evidence that doctors, you know, at least initially, you're very satisfied with the drug, and it seems like the pinch point really is access, as you might expect right now. So, I guess the question is, maybe what commercial itch does this trial scratch, you know, with that kind of reception you've already had, or is there a regulatory commitment that this fulfills? And then I've got a follow-up. Yeah, and let me just quickly address that, and then I'll pass on to Laura for any other comments. No regulatory commitment for this. This is, as Laura said in her comments, our continued commitment to understanding the clinical utility and where and how a product like XPHOZAH can be used. And, you know, it's certainly curiosity, but it's also, you know, understanding that as this continues to grow, there's going to be questions and thoughts from payers and others that we want to be prepared to answer, and the only time to start is before you get those questions. So, it's better to have these data than not, and it has as much to do with our belief in the clinical utility and capturing the data, demonstrating that. Laura, anything to add? Yeah, Mike, I think the only other piece to add is, you know, again, this, as you said, no regulatory commitment. This really reflects our desire to better understand the impact that a drug like XPHOZAH could have on patients. We think that impact will be positive, and I think the other piece of it is we also want to get a sense of patient satisfaction. You launch these drugs, you obviously have an objective to address unmet needs, and I think the ability to capture data on, you know, how patients are experiencing these drugs in their lived day-to-day, you know, sort of quality of life settings is really, really important. Okay, great. Thanks, and maybe a follow-up. Yeah, Susan, in your comments, you mentioned, you know, out of the gate, working through prior offs, expecting that out of the gate, but again, back to the SPIRIX data that, you know, it looks like about 20% or so of patients do not involve prior offs. Can you give a little bit of color, I guess, on maybe the dynamic going forward? Is it the goal to reduce the number of patients requiring prior offs, reduce the sort of lead time or the turnaround time for those or both, or, you know, any sort of comment on the dynamic and what your, you know, focus items are as you try to streamline the process for access? Yeah, thanks, Chris. Yeah, we have been engaged with payers really months in advance of the approval, post-approval, now with the final label, and they're defining their coverage policies really exactly as we anticipated, very consistent with our labels, providing a path to access via a prior authorization, requiring the patient to have been treated on binders previously inadequately responding or intolerant binders. So, that is really our go-to-market strategy because we, at this time, do not intend to engage in contracting with the payers. You know, XPHOZAH is the only non-binder available. It is the first-in-class faucet absorption inhibitor, the only option now for patients that have been treated on binders and have been found to be inadequate. So, we really are not going to be contracting. There is no path forward for a formulary position that is going to be first, you know, before treatment with binders. So, the prior off path is the direction that we're on. So, what's critical for our commercial success is the comprehensive patient services support in the office to enable that prior off process and getting the physician and the office comfortable with that process. And what we're finding exactly is with IBSERELLA, once they run through the process a few times and they get more and more comfortable with it and realize that when they go through that administrative process, the patient ends up having access to XPHOZAH because of all of our patient assistance programs and ability to buy down their commercial copay. So, both from an access and affordability standpoint, our patient services really enable the physician to successfully navigate that PA process. So, for us, the success and the access path is really continuing to support that nephrology interest and wanting to go through the process because they believe the patient's in need of XPHOZAH and supporting them through that process. What we're finding so far is that when they do so, we're getting those prior offs approved and patients are gaining access to XPHOZAH. Great. Thanks so much. The next question comes from Laura Chico from Wedbush. Please go ahead. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks very much for taking my question. One on XPHOZAH and then one on ADRELA. For XPHOZAH, could you just talk a little bit more about at what point you would move to secure CDAPA for XPHOZAH? And how should we think about the base case in terms of duration in which that would be active? I'm not sure if the calcium and medic experience would be a relevant proxy here. Yeah. So, Laura, I think we're still trying to determine that as well. Obviously, if we go into that, but we've got to go through getting the proper codes and doing that. So, I think as we get closer to that and get more clarity, we'll provide that commentary. Okay. And then back to ABSARELLA, I think Susan made the comment that you had kind of a changing view on who might be a good patient for this drug as you're getting more experience and exposure. Could you just expand on that a little bit further? And I guess specifically, I'm trying to understand a little bit more about how you're thinking about utilization earlier in the disease process. Are you seeing signs of earlier utilization with ABSARELLA? Thank you. Yeah. Actually, it's really an expanding view. So, what we're finding is that now that the HCPs who treat IBS-C have a novel mechanism option, they're increasingly identifying and aware of the patients that they had treated with GCC agonists, but are having persistent symptoms and really could benefit from a novel approach. So, it's really the patients they treat every day, particularly these high-riding HCPs that we're focused on. Every patient that they see has likely been tried on a GCC agonist or is on a GCC agonist. And what we're finding, so those patients implicitly meet the prior authorization criteria. And what we're finding is that physicians are increasingly identifying them, engaging them in dialogue and saying, hey, there is a new therapy option available now that I really think you could benefit from. So, they're just expanding their view on patients now that actually could benefit from a novel approach since they've seen the good results for ABSARELLA in the patients they initially tried it on. Thank you. The next question comes from Louise Chen from Cancer Fitzgerald. Please go ahead. Hi. Congratulations on all the progress and thanks for taking my questions. So, I wanted to ask you, including the drawdown that you expect in March, what do you estimate your cash runway to be? And then also on Tanaponur, I saw that you have a potential regulatory action coming in China. So, just curious how big that opportunity could potentially be for you? And then same question for Japan with the launch, how should we think about revenues in Japan in first quarter 24 and beyond? Thank you. Sure. Let me address a couple of those things and then I'll pass it off to Justin. Recall that what we did with our relationship with KKC in Japan is we monetized those royalties, right? So, you shouldn't expect anything more coming from our partnership in Japan and it's up to KKC to speak to what kind of revenues they would expect out of their market. With our relationship in China, certainly there's some regulatory actions that can happen there. We've not really spoken a whole lot about what the opportunity is and I think we'll hold off on that as well. In terms of the drawdown in March, we're probably not going to give you any specific numbers in terms of runway and what that provides, but if you can address that, Justin. Sure. Thank you, Luis, and thank you, Mike. You know, we are overall starting to move towards what we'll call steady state spending. So, this drawdown, of course, we're very mindful of how we bring in additional capital and we try to be thoughtful and measured in how we approach our spending and our planning. And so, on top of the $184.3 million we had at the end of the year, this really does put us in good shape and, you know, we are obviously always trying to balance need or fund our operations with other considerations. So, for us, you know, we're taking it, you know, thoughtfully and measured and, you know, we mentioned the increased activities we look to add to the commercial team this year and once we get into steady state, as I mentioned, we'll be able to give you more precise numbers. We're not really positioned to give you an exact date now, other than we're in really good shape in the near term. Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from Yagal Nakamovich from Citi. Please go ahead. Hi, Mike and team. Thank you. On the observational trial that you talked about, can you just talk a little bit more? Is there a fixed number of patients that can enroll or is it more open-ended? Will the patients that go into that trial be getting free drug? Are they still considered commercial patients? And also just, you know, you obviously had approval back in October. Just curious as to why the study's starting now versus, you know, right after when the drug was approved. Thanks. Sure. Laura? Yeah, sure. I mean, thanks, Yagal. I mean, the first question in terms of the number of patients, it is more open. I mean, obviously, it's a real-world, you know, study where, again, we're looking at patients who are being prescribed the drug in a real-world clinical setting. And so it's not free drug. It's basically patients who are, again, are, you know, either intolerant to phosphate binders or, you know, have not gotten to their treatment goal on binders alone. And so it's more of an open sort of enrollment piece. But again, the investigators that, you know, are looking to enroll patients will, you know, make that decision based on, you know, the normal shared decision-making between, you know, patients and physicians. Yagal, to address your question about its commencement, is, you know, it takes time to get these things going and figuring out which investigators we'll work with. So nothing about that timeframe that makes it relevant. Right. Okay. And then I was doing some math on the guidance. So 140 to 150 works out to 9% to 12% quarter-on-quarter growth. So just curious about how you arrived at that. And then actually, if you carry that out into the future, and then you look at what happened with Linzess. Linzess, it launched December 2012, it got to a billion in 2021. It took nine years. If you take the low end of your guidance on quarter-on-quarter, you will get to a billion in, I guess, somewhere around 2029, 2030. So just curious what you think about that timetable. Well, I think your math is very good. But, you know, what we've said is that we see this as a billion-dollar opportunity. We haven't given a timeframe within which we will accomplish that. You know, I think, I hope what you've learned about us, we're very measured in the way that we do this. And certainly if we see opportunity to give you more specificity around the timeframe of hitting those numbers, we will. But we're very confident with what we've guided for this year between 140, 150, certainly gets us on the kind of trajectory that you just described. Okay, great. Thank you. The next question comes from Ryan Deshner of Raymond James. Please go ahead. Hi there. My question is, you know, from our recent discussions with nephrologists over the last few weeks, we're hearing a heavy interest actually in the perceived compliance benefit associated with XPHOZAH for patient subpopulations, actually both with and without adequately controlled serum phosphorous. So my questions are, how big of a market segment is represented by patients who are failing phosphate binders largely due to poor compliance? And how are you thinking about potentially addressing the market segment represented by patients with controlled serum phosphorous who have strong desire to reduce pill burden, you know, in the future? Yeah, I mean, I'll let, ask Susan to address some of this too, but that second population, you know, that falls potentially within a definition of intolerance. If you think about how these patients have had to take these handfuls of pills every day, multiple meals, every meal and snack, that's a tolerance issue, not necessarily an efficacy issue. So we think that the indication that we were ultimately able to get from the FDA allows a physician to attest to either one of those two. Susan, anything to add? Yeah, I would just add that it's really important to note that consistently we see approximately 70% of patients, despite treatment with binders, are unable to achieve or maintain the, you know, global guideline target levels within a six-month period. So, and what we're finding now on the market in front of nephrologists is that they believe that the majority of their patients are unable to achieve or maintain target levels with binder therapy. So the population that, you know, aligned with our indication is really quite large. And I think, you know, it's, and that's why we're seeing the enthusiasm on the part of the nephrology community to now finally have another option for those patients. And with the novel mechanism of XPHOZAH as a first-in-class phosphate absorption inhibitor, you know, there's broad application to be used for those patients that are, you know, inadequately managed despite binder therapy. On top of that, the intolerance consideration, you know, is another opportunity for use of XPHOZAH. So clearly the compliance benefit is something that people speak to. I mean, one small pill twice a day, you know, especially if it's being added to a therapy regimen, you know, the patients are responding really favorably, like, wow, I could take this. Or if the physician decides to discontinue the binders, now they're on one pill twice a day. Yeah, that's really resonating with physicians and with patients. And it's really part of the momentum driving the use of XPHOZAH. And ultimately, the compliance is so intermingled with why patients have been unable to reach target levels. So we're quite confident that there's a really strong opportunity within the labeled claim. And we're seeing that in the enthusiasm in the marketplace. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. The next question comes from Joseph Tomee from TD Cowan. Please go ahead. Hi there. Good afternoon. Congrats on the progress. And thank you for taking my questions, everyone, on XPHOZAH. And I'll have a follow-up on Ivazuela if possible. But maybe first on XPHOZAH, are you able to provide any sort of information on the number of prescribers that have maybe written since launch? Or I guess if you can, going forward, what sort of metrics do you anticipate providing to kind of gauge how launch is progressing? And then I'll have a follow-up. Hey, Joe. Thanks for the question. Obviously, understandable question given some of the data that you're accustomed to isn't available. But we're not going to be in a position to count physicians and do that. I think as we begin, as we did with Adrela, getting the comfort of a number of quarters underneath our belt, ultimately, the revenue guidance that we are going to give is going to be the most important thing for all of you to follow. And presumably, there will be some resolution as to how you can access script data, whether it's through outlets like you have in the past or acquiring those data as well. And what's your question on Adrela? And then on Adrela, I had a question on our ally study, the phase three in pediatric patients with IVSC. I guess, how important are data from this study? Kind of how is this progressing? And when you think about that expanded $1 billion market opportunity, does that include patients or a meaningful number of patients at all under age 18? Or would this be an expansion to that number if you're able to kind of get that on a label? Thanks. Yeah, I think very basically, it'd be an expansion. But Laura, if you want to address the question about the trial. Yeah, in terms of the pediatric study, I mean, again, we've got an ongoing study in patients who are age 12 to 18. And that study is progressing nicely. And we have another study that is planned in pediatric patients age six to 11. So in terms of those studies, we see them progressing as planned. In terms of, you know, Mike, maybe you want to address the other part of the question in relationship to how that, you know, pertains to additional revenue. Yeah, you know, there's obviously a population there that we would, that would benefit from a product like Adrela. You know, I think quantifying that is going to, it's not something that we've done, but it's potentially something that we would think is an expansion. Great, thank you very much. The next question comes from Ed Arce from AC Wainwright. Please go ahead. Hi, good afternoon. This is Thomas Yip asking a couple of questions for Ed. Thank you for the kind of questions. So first on Adrela, can you provide some details on a plan that was previously announced to expand US sales scores, both in terms of scale and timing of the increase. Should we expect an incremental increase throughout the year or is it contingent on certain criteria for expansion? Yeah, I think as you heard in our opening comments, we're taking the Adrela dedicated team from 64 to 124. And as Justin said in his commentary, steady state spend on that we expect would be in evidenced by the third quarter of this year. Got it. Thank you. And then perhaps one more question on the exposure. When should we expect first time to provide revenue guidance? Should we expect something along the line of the square hour? You know, in other words, about 12 months of sales before we see a guidance? Yeah, I mean, I think that's prudent. When we see, you know, in some of the questions on this call, what the impact is of seasonality, the first quarter, all those things, you know, with Adrela, it was, you know, four, four and a half, five quarters underneath our belt before we came out with any guidance. All right, sounds good. Thank you again for your questions. Of course. Thank you. The next question comes from Matt Kaplan from Landenburg-Thelman. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to stick on Adrela for a minute. What are you seeing, I guess, for Adrela with respect to its use in terms of duration on therapy and are our patients using it in a cyclical fashion, kind of come on and come off the drug? Yes, Susan, you want to address that? Sure. Yes, Matt. So, you know, the feedback that we're getting from the physicians treating patients with Adrela is really highly favorable in terms of the patient response to therapy and satisfaction with therapy. Overall, we're finding that, as you have noted, IBS-C patients overall, when they're feeling better, tend to want to maybe stop taking the drug, knowing that if the symptoms come back, they would reinitiate therapy. So, at this point, we're finding that that overall behavior is probably consistent, regardless of the treatments that are prescribed. But the good, you know, the good news from the marketplace is that physicians, you know, are keeping them on the drug and really believe that the drug is working. Okay, that's helpful. And then, and then with respect to XPHOZAH, what are you seeing in terms of the current mixture of patients on XPHOZAH in terms of using it in a combo setting versus a monotherapy? And I guess, how would you, how do you think that evolves over time? I'm not sure we have exact visibility into other prescriptions, right? So, this is a, we have a closed system with, you know, we have a, you know, we have a number of closed systems with our adult assist program that helps the prior authorization process. Susan, do we have perspective on that? Yeah, actually, it's a great question, Matt. So, I think that there isn't a quantitative answer, but what we could say is based on our experience now in the offices that we're seeing physicians adding XPHOZAH to the current regimen and seeing a nice response in phosphorus reduction, we're seeing patients reducing the binder dose and adding XPHOZAH and also having a favorable experience. And we're seeing physicians just eliminate the binders and initiate use of XPHOZAH and seeing a response or if they, and then potentially adding back the binder if they need it. So, so I think early in the launch, what we're finding is that because of the novel, you know, phosphate blocking mechanism and one small pill twice a day, it really gives the physician a lot of flexibility in terms of how to use the product. And then overall, they're telling us that the patients are responding favorably and satisfied and they're seeing reductions in phosphorus levels. So, so it's all very encouraging. Over time, we'll do our own, you know, as we contract this and market research, it would have to be custom work. It's not really something available through the script data. You know, we'll have a better understanding on how that cuts, but overall, it really just leads to a broad-based use and I, and seeing XPHOZAH as applicable to a broad range of patients and that they can customize. Okay. And Matt, I think that's why we refer, why we're referring to this as an XPHOZAH-based regimen is it allows the flexibility for clinicians to do exactly what Susan just described. Great. Well, congrats on the progress and thanks for taking the questions. Thanks, Matt. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ardellix president and CEO, Mike Raab, for closing remarks. Thank you everyone for joining us this evening and especially to those many shareholders who've been on this wild ride with us, whether for the past few years, the past few months, or even the past few weeks. I hope that what you've seen and heard from us today is that we are thoughtful and measured in how we build our business, that we focus on executing on our priorities, and that we have the right team in place. And to that team, team Ardellix, I would like to extend a special and heartfelt thanks to all of you for what you do every day to further our efforts, to deliver on our mission, and most importantly, to support patients. With that, we can close the call. Thank you, Danielle.