Q1 2024 Sun Communities Inc Earnings Call

Participants

Fernando Castro-Caratini; Executive VP, CFO, Treasurer & Secretary; Sun Communities, Inc.

Gary A. Shiffman; Chairman, President & CEO; Sun Communities, Inc.

Anthony Hau; Associate; Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division

Anthony Franklin Powell; Research Analyst; Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division

Bradley Barrett Heffern; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets, Research Division

Eric Wolfe

James Colin Feldman; Equity Analyst; Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

John Joseph Pawlowski; MD of Residential and Health Care; Green Street Advisors, LLC, Research Division

John P. Kim; MD & Senior U.S. Real Estate Analyst; BMO Capital Markets Equity Research

Joshua Dennerlein; VP; BofA Securities, Research Division

Keegan Grant Carl; Research Analyst; Wolfe Research, LLC

Michael Goldsmith; Associate Director and Associate Analyst; UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Wesley Keith Golladay; Senior Research Analyst; Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Sun Communities First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call.
At this time, management would like me to inform you that certain statements made during this call, which are not historical facts may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, the company can provide no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. Factors and risks that cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in yesterday's press release and from time to time in the company's periodic filings with the SEC. This company undertakes no obligation to advise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this release.
Having said that, I'd like to introduce management with us today. Gary Shiffman, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Fernando Castro-Caratini, Chief Financial Officer; and Aaron Weiss, Executive Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Business Development. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this call is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference call over to your host, Gary Shiffman, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Shiffman, you may begin.

Gary A. Shiffman

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on our conference call to discuss first quarter 2024 earnings and our updated guidance. We're pleased to report solid first quarter results underpinned by strong operational performance in each of our businesses. Core FFO per share of $1.19 for the quarter was driven by robust 7.9% year-over-year growth in North American same-property NOI and strong U.K. same-property NOI growth.
Our first quarter results underscore how the favorable dynamics of high demand and limited supply, inherent in our best-in-class portfolio generate resilient real property income. Same-property manufactured housing NOI increased 8% compared to the first quarter of 2023 due to several factors, including rental rate increases, occupancy growth and lower expenses. Same-property RV NOI increased 8.1%, primarily reflecting the positive impact of converting transient sites to annual leases, and continued expense savings that partially offset lower transient revenues. Same-property Marina NOI grew 7.5% compared to the prior year.
The outperformance was driven by continued strong demand for wet slips and dry storage as well as strong rental rate increases. As we enter our third full year of ownership of our U.K. portfolio, this segment is now included in our same-property reporting. U.K. same-property NOI in the quarter was approximately $11 million, which is a strong start to the year. We remain focused on our capital recycling strategy. And as disclosed on our last earnings call, have sold 2 manufactured housing properties. Currently, we have in the market with additional assets and feel positive about our ability to transact.
In terms of capital deployment, Sun continues to be highly selective. Year-to-date, Sun has acquired several bolt-on Marina properties for approximately $12 million that strategically enhance our Marina member network on the East Coast. We recently published our sixth annual ESG report. Key highlights include completing our inventory methodology for reporting scopes 1, 2 and 3 greenhouse gas emissions and a 73% increase in team member volunteer hours compared to 2022.
Additionally, we continue to prioritize our dialogue and interactions with our stakeholders and to work with our supply chain partners to understand their ESG programs. We continue to execute on a plan, focused on delivering earnings growth from a reliable real property income. I would like to thank our talented team members for their continued dedication and strong performance and all our stakeholders for their continued support.
I will now turn the call over to Fernando to discuss our results and guidance in more detail. Fernando?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Thank you, Gary. In the first quarter, Sun reported core FFO per diluted share of $1.19, driven by strong real property revenue growth and our continued focus on managing expenses. In North America, total same-property NOI for the quarter grew 7.9%, driven by a 6% increase in revenues and a 2.2% increase in expenses, further detailing each segment.
Same-property manufactured housing reported another solid quarter with an 8% increase in NOI compared to 2023. The NOI was driven by a 6.8% increase in revenue and expense growth of 3.4%. For same-property RV, its 8.1% NOI growth was driven by a 3.1% increase in revenue and a 1.8% decrease in expenses. The year-over-year decline in RV operating expenses was due to aligning controllable costs with transient revenues, notably in payroll and utilities. Occupancy for same-property manufactured housing and RV, adjusted to include expansion activity, increased 180 basis points year-over-year to 98.9%. Part of the uplift in occupancy can be attributed to conversions of transient to annual RV sites.
For the trailing 12 months ended March 31, 2024, Sun converted over 1,750 transient sites to annual contracts accounting for approximately 65% of our revenue-producing site gains. We are continuing our strategic focus on converting transient to annual sites. Since the start of 2020, we have completed nearly 7,100 conversions and have increased the number of annual sites by approximately 27%. Marina's posted another strong quarter with same property NOI increasing 7.5% compared to 2023. This was driven mainly by rate increases for wet slips and dry storage spaces across the portfolio and stronger transient demand, resulting in a 7.1% increase in revenue, partially offset by a 6.5% increase in expenses, primarily driven by payroll.
In the U.K. same property NOI increased by $3.3 million, representing a 44.5% increase over 2023 same-property results, higher rental rates increased customer retention and the early timing of the Easter holiday break drove a 12.3% increase in revenue in the quarter. Property operating expenses decreased 1.7% year-over-year primarily reflecting timing differences for supply and repair and payroll costs.
First quarter U.K. home sales volumes were in line with expectations. We sold more than 620 homes representing a 5.4% increase compared to the previous year. FFO contribution was $10.2 million for the quarter, reflecting the strong sales volume, offset in part by lower margins. The strong unit sales performance in the first quarter will lead to an increase in community occupancy and site rent for the year. This aligns with our strategic objective to shift a larger share of our U.K. business activity from home sales to real property rents. Regarding capital allocation, Sun remains extremely disciplined, pursuing limited strategic opportunities. As Gary indicated, we recycled approximately $52 million of proceeds from selling 2 assets this year and acquired 4 highly strategic Marinas for approximately $12 million.
Turning to our balance sheet. On March 31, 2024, the company had approximately $7.8 billion in net debt outstanding and our net debt to trailing 12-month recurring EBITDA ratio was 6.1x. We remain focused on further enhancing our balance sheet strength. During the quarter, Sun issued $500 million of 5-year senior unsecured notes with an interest rate of 5.5%. Net proceeds were used to pay down borrowings outstanding under our senior credit facility.
During the quarter, we also paid off our corporate term loan with our revolving credit facility. Our weighted average debt maturity is 6.8 years, and our variable rate debt was approximately 11% at the end of the quarter. We intend to use free cash flow from operations and proceeds from planned asset sales to reduce overall leverage and variable rate debt percentages. As detailed in yesterday's release, we are updating our 2024 guidance for first quarter results as follows: we narrowed our full year core FFO per share guidance to a range of $7.06 to $7.22.
We are also establishing guidance for the second quarter of 2024 core FFO per share in the range of $1.83 to $1.91. For our total portfolio, we expect real property NOI growth in the range of 6.5% to 7.3%. Higher expected NOI growth in MH and Marinas should offset lower expected NOI from RV. In North America, the updated full year same property growth range is 4.6% to 5.8%. The 40 basis point reduction at the midpoint is primarily due to transient RV revenue headwinds.
Revised expectations are 6.2% to 7.1% for manufactured housing, a 15 basis point increase at the midpoint, negative 0.3% to 1.3% for RVs, a 230 basis point decrease at the midpoint driven by transient RV revenue headwinds, which we are partially offsetting with controllable expense reductions, and 6.4% to 7.6% for Marinas, a 20 basis point increase at the midpoint.
In the U.K., we forecast approximately the same total FFO contribution for the year, but with a greater contribution now expected to come from real property results. We are increasing our full year same property NOI forecast from the prior range of 1.3% to 3.3% to a new range of 6% to 8%. The increase is driven by greater expected rental revenues complemented by continued cost management efforts. The higher real property revenue outlook is a function of the previously implemented rental rate increases and higher home sales volume and retention achieved year-to-date.
For U.K. home sales, we maintain our range of expected volume for the year, but expect lower FFO contribution due to lower margins. Our U.K. strategy remains focused on shifting a larger proportion of our income from home sales margins into the resilient, reliable NOI generated by real property rents. Overall, we are pleased with our operating performance, expense management, and minimizing capital spending over the course of this year. Please refer to our supplemental for additional guidance information.
As a reminder, our guidance includes acquisitions and dispositions and capital markets activity through April 29, but it does not include the impact of prospective acquisitions, dispositions or capital markets activities, which may be included in research analyst estimates.
This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the call up for questions. Operator?

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Michael Goldsmith with UBS.

Michael Goldsmith

It seems like you guys have been able to convert the strategy for -- in the U.K. from generating the bulk of the -- or you've been able to convert from generating a lot of the NOI from home sales, and you've made progress on generating it more from rent growth, like how are you able to achieve that in such a short period of time that it kind of influenced the guidance in such a large way.

Gary A. Shiffman

Thanks for the question, Michael. The U.K. business overall is performing generally in line with expectations. There has been a strategy that -- you mentioned that we've indicated from the time we acquired the acquisition that we look to sacrifice a little bit of the margin on home sales to be able to create a more sticky, dependable real property income in the form of pitch fees there. And it is working very, very well, in first quarter, I think, is a good example of it.
That being said, there are still economic pressures and headwinds in the U.K. while we're up in volume and overall growth. U.K. very much like what we're seeing in the U.S. is probably not seeing the benefits of interest rate reductions as soon as they might have been anticipated a while ago. So the bottom line is, I think that we'd be in a position to be even excelling further, and we expect to be doing so as we go through the year and into the future. And we'll continue to sacrifice a little bit of that margin to gain the real property revenue. It's been working so far, and we expect it to continue to do so.

Michael Goldsmith

And my follow-up question is, there were several moving pieces in the 2024 expectations, and that came 2 months after issuing your initial outlook 2 months ago. So as we look forward from here, do you sit here and think, okay, now we've got a much better grasp on the year sitting in the middle of spring. And so there shouldn't be as much volatility with the guidance going forward?
Or at this point in the year, could there still be kind of large shifts within the expectations going forward? I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of where the visibility is into the year at this point?

Gary A. Shiffman

It's certainly a question we can relate to and understand as we move forward to a very focused plan on taking the underpinning and the incredible performance, if you will, of our business platform and translating it into growth for our shareholders. We're working very, very hard on a number of different areas that we've shared previously, certainly, the simplification, the recycling of capital, and many of the things that we've accomplished over the last couple of quarters. All in an effort, and this includes the continued conversions of transient, where it is harder to forecast out transient RV into annual agreements in our RV communities.
All this and the approach that we've taken to looking hard at first quarter and knowing that it's the lowest contributor across the Board first and fourth quarters to our overall FFO performance. We feel comfortable with the adjustments that we made will leave us in the best position to really deliver the results that we're sharing with you today.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

And Michael, while they're certainly are moving pieces to the guidance, we did reiterate our FFO guidance per share with the second quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets.

John P. Kim

Just wanted to follow up on the FFO guidance, which you maintained, but when you look at the non-same-store real property items, it looks like a $0.15 reduction in your outlook. Part of that is higher G&A but that's another question. But how confident are you to make -- that you can make up that $0.15 or 2% of FFO in your same-store portfolio?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

John, the G&A move upward from guide to guide. That's from a GAAP perspective. So that does not include some add backs that we have for FFO, mainly deal costs and transaction costs, of which there were just over $11 million in the quarter. The transaction expenses related to finalizing the receivership process related to the Royale Life note and investor engagement during the first quarter. So while there is -- on the guidance page, there is an increase from guide to guide in G&A. Our net of those add-backs, we are still expecting at the midpoint our G&A to grow by about 4.6%, again at the midpoint.

John P. Kim

And the other items, I mean, maybe my second question is your RV guidance was the only part that went down on your same-property outlook you had 8% growth in the first quarter. So you're basically implying it's going to go negative for the rest of the year. I realize that the transient to seasonal or annual conversion, but typically, you get a big uplift in revenue when you make that conversion. So what is driving that reduction in the same-property RV outlook?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

And John, you're seeing the uplift of that occupancy gain on the annual side with just over 13% growth for that line item in the first quarter. The movement or the guide downward on the RV side is primarily due to the transient headwinds as mentioned earlier, where we will look to offset as much of it as possible by -- with controllable expense cost reductions.
The -- our forecast set in February for our guidance implied a 2.6% reduction in transient revenue for the year. That is -- that was including the impact of conversions, as mentioned, that is currently with all the information that we have in front of us as it relates to pace, shorter booking windows, that is currently expected to be about 8% reduction for the year. So that is the largest mover on the RV side. Overall, when you take that into consideration with our Manufactured Housing platform and Marina platform, the guide downward on the NOI side is about $4 million.

Operator

Our next question comes from Josh Dennerlein with Bank of America.

Joshua Dennerlein

Maybe just wanted to touch on the asset sales and just like how that marketing process is going.

Gary A. Shiffman

Well, Josh, we certainly got off to a good start and shared the 2 assets that we did sell. We are currently in the market. And there are a number of opportunities that we feel very good within the selected assets that we offer for dispositions. Again, these are assets that we feel will benefit somebody else in the long run.
And there are still buyers out there. There are those that are looking to build platforms and looking past the negative leverage, if you will. But there is definitely a shift in the marketplace with debt costs being higher than they had been for the last long period of time. We look forward to being able to share with everybody the results of these dispositions that we have in the market right now. And hopefully, we'll be able to do that in this coming quarter.

Joshua Dennerlein

I appreciate that, Gary. And then I just wanted to follow up on Michael's question about the guidance. When I think about your guides, it almost seems like every line item, the range was revised. Just maybe stepping back and thinking big picture, how do you -- like what's your philosophy on providing these guidance ranges.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

We're looking to provide as much disclosure as possible to the market as it relates to all of the -- all of our business platforms and other line items. So you can -- with the guidance, you can track almost entirely P&L. We did add guidance in February as it related to expected interest expense which had not been provided previously. So that is that's looking to provide as much color as possible to the market as it relates to our expectations, those expectations, some shift upwards, some shift downwards as you're seeing with the guidance provided last night. But it's the best information that we have in front of us today to provide to you and the rest of the market.

Gary A. Shiffman

Josh, the only thing that I would add to that is the fact that we certainly got through a lot of challenges in '23, have had some headwinds in '24 as we've shared with everybody. But I've also shared a strong desire to be simplifying and assisting with the ability to model. So we continue to do a lot of work on that.
And as we go through '24, some of the steps that are taking place, I think, will put us in a cadence be able to provide an understanding and information as we go forward. A good example is U.K. home sales, where we will sacrifice the margin and made a decision and management is actually executing on the decision to increase volume at the cost of a little bit of margin to add to real property income. They've done an outstanding job at Park Holidays. We really want to commend them on that. And it's things like that, that are causing adjustments. But I think as we continue quarter-by-quarter, we'll take a cadence that will feel much better.

Operator

Our next question comes from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets.

Bradley Barrett Heffern

Is there any color that you can give about the pace at which you expect to move NOI out of the U.K. home sales business and into real property going forward? Should we continue to see sort of big chunky moves like this as the year goes on? Or does the guidance kind of fully reflect the underlying change in strategy?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

The guidance fully reflects the underlying change -- or not a change in strategy, but the continuation of that strategy of shifting more right, more income into the reliable real property side.

Bradley Barrett Heffern

Okay. And is there any color you can give on kind of the pace at which we should expect that to happen? Obviously, in the U.S., home sales are not a big contributor. Is there visibility on that happening in the U.K. over the next 5 years or 3 years? Or any sort of framework you can give us around the speed at which you can accomplish the transition?

Gary A. Shiffman

Brad, are we talking about the U.K.?

Bradley Barrett Heffern

Yes, for the U.K.

Gary A. Shiffman

Again, I'd kind of reiterate what Fernando said in the fact that even going back to when we announced the acquisition, we had a strategy recognizing that the model in the U.K. is different than it is in the U.S. And we would sacrifice margin for increase in occupancy and gaining that more sticky dependable, if you will, and modelable is such a word, FFO on the real property side. So what you're seeing is a continuation on that.
We -- in '23, definitely hit headwinds of a slowing economy that caused that to accelerate faster than our 5- or 7-year plan originally had it. But I would say right now, where we're at, we're right on target where we want them to be, with Park Holidays. And I think you'll just continue to see us hit guidance and if things should improve or if we have an opportunity to make more rapid, we would definitely share that in the future.

Operator

Our next question comes from Wes Golladay with Robert W. Baird.

Wesley Keith Golladay

I just want to go back to the transient forecast. Can you unpack that a little bit? What has driving the EBITDA adjusted for the conversions? Are you seeing any rate pressure? And then when you have your forecast for the balance of the year, are you extrapolating the current trends into the balance of the year?

Gary A. Shiffman

Wes, we continue to believe in the long-term strength of the overall RV sector. And as you know, we've been strategically reducing our transient exposure and relative contribution over the past few years in favor of the stability of the growth of the annual agreements that we're really, really focused on.
So we've increased the annuals by about 27% by converting the transient since 2020. And our expectation and our outlook moving forward, if you'll continue to see that. And again, that allows us to budget and forecast with a higher degree of confidence as we have those homes in on an annual basis, and they're not subject to the concerns of whether, again, much of the transient is within a 3-hour drive of the home base of our guests. And so weather conditions as we saw in April. And as we've seen more recently in the last couple of years, do impact that short-term transient guest stability to be able to forecast it.
So I think that while it's a good business, and we will continue to have a percentage of it, we will continue to focus on converting those transient over to annuals. And we're seeing stronger and stronger demand, and we're opening up more and more of our transient sites and will allow them to be converted to annual.

Wesley Keith Golladay

Yes. No, I get all that. Just maybe looking at the transient forecast, so it did come down about 6% -- 5% or 6%. And I'm just wondering if there's a rate pressure or is it just occupancy? And is it mainly just the current trends that you're seeing and are you extrapolating that into the second half of your forecast? Just trying to get a sense of maybe how conservative the guide is maybe a little too conservative as weather potentially impacting the guide at the moment?

Gary A. Shiffman

Yes. I would just suggest, as Fernando mentioned, certainly, pace has a lot to do with it. We're seeing it 8% down year-over-year. There is concept that says the shorting booking windows will yield the potential for upside, but in our efforts to give the best guidance that we can going forward. We're looking at outpacing is right now.
I don't know if Fernando of you have anything to add.

Wesley Keith Golladay

Okay. And then maybe going to the U.K. Is there any onetime items that hit the first quarter? And then anything in the forward guidance. And maybe just can you confirm that there's the price -- lowering the pricing to build those sticky income on the real property, that's nothing new that you changed this year, year-to-date is something that you've been doing all along.

Gary A. Shiffman

I'll answer the first part, and Fernando can talk about guiding forward. But the strategy of shifting margin for occupancy gain has been our strategy all along. As I indicated before, it more rapidly accelerated in 2023 as we brought margins down due to the headwinds of the economy.
But what you're seeing right now is continued strong demand for the Park Holidays community and a management team that from day 1, understood the concept of being able to increase occupancy and increase real property contribution over the concept of the onetime sales margin that probably worked much better for them as the portfolio was owned by private equity firms in the past. So it's pretty much it exactly where we want it to be now, and we're hoping to continue it and really make a difference in how we're going to look long term at the value creation, if you will, of the real property contribution.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

And then, Wes, on aggregate, the total FFO contribution from Park Holidays for 2024 is in line with original expectations. Park Holidays contribution to core FFO also includes SRD&E through retail and F&B operations and head office personnel and corporate activities on the G&A side. in the first quarter and for the year included in the overall contribution to core FFO was an expected payroll tax withholding that refund and third-party costs related to securing this refund.
These various items had a net impact of about $2 million to our aggregate $153 million of core FFO in the first quarter or much larger for the rest of the year. These changes are similar and consistent with, call it, it's akin to real estate tax or sales tax or other expense changes that are periodically, reflected, updated treatment of revenue or expense. These changes are sometimes favorable or unfavorable to the current period.

Wesley Keith Golladay

Okay. And so just the bottom line that is a contract expense you had. And so the U.K. real property revenue is just a true upward lift in, on the full year.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Yes. It was on same property is and that is detailed during the call, is primarily driven by the higher rental rates, higher retention than expected and we did see a stronger Easter break, which also the comp on a year-over-year basis where Easter was during the second quarter in 2023.

Operator

Our next question comes from Keegan Carl with Wolfe Research.

Keegan Grant Carl

Maybe first, I guess, just on your acquisition of the land parcels. It was a bit surprising given your comments on development and expansion last quarter. So I guess I'm just curious what changed on this front.

Gary A. Shiffman

Yes. I think we've talked about being very, very strategic in our thinking with use of capital. And we've also shared the plan that we're looking to both recycle capital and dispositions as well as through cash flow by shutting down development and using that cap will pay down more costly debt on a rate basis.
I think that when you have 500 to 600 properties that are very, very strategically located and the strategic piece of land or opportunity comes about, we take advantage of that, thinking about the long-term nature of Sun. And all you're seeing there is, as you saw in the Marinas. There are just some bolt-on opportunities where we have a very, very low cost, a great deal of potential value creation in the future, and those are just one-off strategic opportunities, small in nature.

Keegan Grant Carl

And then shifting gears here on home sales, I guess, both in the U.S. and U.K., maybe U.K. first. I know you mentioned margin. Is it just a function of mix? Like are you selling more used homes to new homes? Or is it just lower general pricing. Is there any update on Sandy Bay as well as those are higher-priced homes? And then in the U.S., I know that outlook was reduced too. Is it explicitly tied to existing home sales? Or is there something else we should be aware of?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Keegan, on the U.K. side, that's a mix of both of pricing and mix shifting more towards the pre-owned side of sales. Sandy Bay is ramping up well as it relates to marketing efforts for sales heading into a busier season over the course of the next couple of months.

Gary A. Shiffman

Yes. On the U.S. home side, Keegan, really given the high occupancy of which our MH properties operate and our strategic shift away from deploying capital into that development and expansion. We did guide towards much lower home sales this particular year. And that is something I think that just demonstrates a little bit of the strength that we're seeing at nearly a 98% occupancy in the MH and annual communities.

Operator

Our next question is from Eric Wolfe with Citibank.

Eric Wolfe

As you look at your guidance, I was just wondering if there's anything in the core numbers that is sort of onetime in nature, one way or the other. So for instance, it seems like there might have been a tax refund in the U.K. same-store NOI this quarter. Just trying to understand if there's anything in this year's core FFO that won't be repeated next year as we think about the right sort of base from which to project things in 2025.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Eric has detailed a little bit earlier in the quarter and budgeted this way contribution in the U.K. included a VAT refund on the real property side. It included additional expenses or higher expenses given payroll tax withholding and costs associated with securing that refund. The net of those figures is about $2 million for the quarter or for the year.
But consistent with this is akin to say real estate tax assessments, right, where we may pay a little bit more, given the assessment that we get from the state. And if there's -- if we are able to work through that assessment, we might be at a refund in a later period. It's similar and consistent with that practice.

Eric Wolfe

Yes, that makes sense. I guess I was just trying to make sure there was nothing else. I mean so it sounds like just net like maybe $2 million and understood on the reason for it, I just want to make sure that when we're projecting out to 2025, there's nothing else that would sort of distort those numbers. I guess second question on the recurring CapEx. It looks a little bit high relative to last year's quarterly average. Just wondering if we should expect it to come down? And then also, I saw that there's a decrease in sort of acquisition CapEx, but still a bit of this sort of bolt-on investment to former acquisitions. I guess, when should we expect that to come down as well?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Thank you, Eric. The spend on the recurring CapEx side is consistent, and we do have higher CapEx -- recurring CapEx on the Marina side and on the U.K. side during the first quarter of the year. So that spend is expected to moderate over the rest of the year as it relates to total nonrecurring CapEx for the quarter, it does represent about a 45% reduction as compared to the first quarter of last year. And is expected to ramp up as we've discussed with the market, our spend on CapEx is expected to be somewhere around 55% reduction to the figures that you saw spend in 2023.

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony Powell with Barclays.

Anthony Franklin Powell

I guess another question on transient RV. I understand that you're trying to convert many of those sites to annual, but you still have a meaningful amount of transient sites. So I'm curious, are there any trends that you can employ to maybe improve growth there? And what's your optimal annual transient split in that business?

Gary A. Shiffman

I think answering the second part of your question. First, we talked about reducing transient from high 20,000s to about 14,000, 15,000 over a 3-, 4-, 5-year period of time, transient sites to be our best in transient properties as well as the feeder to continue to feed annual RV guests as they move out. So we're making good, good progress there. And with regard to other opportunities, I think on the social media side, on the marketing side, we've been very, very focused.
I think that there's been a lot of talk about the incredible growth through COVID and the return to pre-COVID periods of time. We're really just focused, if you will, growing from where we are and we have engaged a number of third parties who have hospitality experience, looking at different forms of revenue management, different forms of looking for business activity, in the shoulder parts of the week, in the shoulder seasons.
So we're very, very focused. And I do believe that there is opportunity than near to long term to really enhance the transient pool of properties and sites that we have, we're also what is left in the portfolio becomes the best of the transient. So there's an opportunity as well as we continue to convert to see longer to midterm kind of improvements in growth than we're seeing right now. But there's no -- nothing specific that I could point to that would tell you that it's leading directly to an anticipated change.

Operator

Our next question is from Jamie Feldman with Wells Fargo.

James Colin Feldman

I guess just focusing on the balance sheet. Can you just remind us your deleveraging or leverage objectives and floating rate debt objectives in terms of those metrics? And can you also give us some thoughts on the glide path to get there? What do you think it takes to get to your goal? And how long do you think it takes to get to your goals for both of those items?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Sure, Jamie. As we've stated previously, our long-term leverage targets are to be at 5.5x and below. Today, we are at 6.1x from a leverage perspective. Growth in EBITDA over the course of the year should provide deleveraging by the end of the year as well, as Gary had stated before, we have multiple opportunities from a capital recycling standpoint that we trust we'll update the market with over the course of the next couple of months and quarters that should also contribute towards reaching and surpassing that goal of 5.5x. Floating rate debt today as of the end of the quarter was just above 11%, we will look to manage that percentage to be below 10%. So that's something that we can do here over the course of the short term.

James Colin Feldman

Okay. And just to confirm, the 5.5x, you're saying by year-end? Or no, that's going to take much longer.

Fernando Castro-Caratini

That takes us into 2025 from that standpoint.

James Colin Feldman

Okay. And then I guess just taking a step back, over the last 9 months, year, a lot of new initiatives at the company. You added 2 new board members. You took the plan to simplify earnings. I think whether it was NAREIT meetings in November or end of year conference call discussions, it seemed like you had ring-fenced a lot of the concerns on the U.K. and some of the problems that certainly the market was concerned about.
So you look today, you guys maintained your guidance. Your core business actually seems a little bit better than expected when we started the year, but the stock is underperforming by almost 600 basis points to REITs. Can you just talk about maybe looking behind the curtain of what's going on at the company and some of the initiatives that your Board is debating, your management team is debating, your company is debating about ways to address the problem, fix the problem. Just maybe things that we, on this side of the fence don't necessarily have a view on that people can look forward to as they think about this company and what's to come the year ahead.

Gary A. Shiffman

Sure. I think I'd share and really reiterate the thoughts related specifically to that, which the goal to create simplification up and down throughout the company. The company has grown a lot, complexities certainly crept in. And as we've discussed previously, we're really making good progress along those lines with regard to the Board, we're pleased with the addition of the new board members. We're pleased with the setup of the committees going forward. We're doing well through our disposition program and recycling that capital.
We've talked about one of the JVs that we've been able to simplify greatly that we shared the Northgate properties last quarter. We've talked about stepping out of the headstock in Australia, and we've sold off our interest in the proprietary software for managing our RV communities, although we still use it, great software Campspot. And at the same time, the conversions that are taking place that we've spent a lot of time talking about today and other days, allow us to manage our business much better to bring the cost margins, are greater in the annual properties than they are in the transient properties, which will translate to future growth as well.
I think that the strategy that is working well in the U.K. right now with regard to moving more of the volatile home sales margin into real property income. The fact that we've been able to get through the foreclosure process on the assets in the U.K. and have Park Holidays manage them. In particular, the great job they're doing at Sandy Bay. We're excited to share the results of how things are shaping up over there. So these are all the things that the Board and the managed team are -- management team are focused on. It also gives me the opportunity to mention that we have Aaron Weiss sitting in on our call today, we brought in 2 years ago.
So as an effort to broaden our executive team and our bench. I think that we're really excited to be able to demonstrate how the simplification and approach to everything is going to translate into FFO growth as Sun has been known for it historically. But of course, we realize that we have a ways to go to demonstrate it through 2024, gain some of that lost credibility back. And we're working very, very hard and very, very diligently to do so. And I think it's just underpinned by the really outstanding performance of the business platform, and we continue to work hard and share more of that information quarter-by-quarter with you.

James Colin Feldman

Very helpful and lots to think about. I guess just one quick follow-up, if you don't mind, just because we get asked this a lot. I mean how long does it take for whatever initiatives, even if all the initiatives you've put in place at year-end or all the initiatives you're going to do? Like how long does it really take for it to have the full impact.

Gary A. Shiffman

Well, I'm going to suggest what we talked about at NAREIT and some of the conferences in our calls that 2024 isn't without its headwinds. We talked a lot about the specific financial headwinds and the simplification paths that were taking place. Our real goal is to look at 2025 when most of these headwinds that we can identify are behind us, and we can really, really begin to translate the very strong core business growth into -- growth to our shareholders. So while there is upside and there is a risk to everything as we go through the year, we all know it's still a challenged economy with a lot of uncertainty in there. As far as what we can control in the company, we feel like we'll be in a very, very good position, finishing out '24 and going into '25.

Operator

Our next question is from Anthony Hau with Truist Securities.

Anthony Hau

Given that you brought sales margin down in the U.K., are you seeing more buyers, homeowners buying premium lodges compared to before? And what percentage of buyers are buying standard versus premium today?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Anthony, our -- we have brought margin expectations down for the year by about $2,600, that is helping drive more preowned lodge sales that premiumization or those upgrade sales is something that we will continue to work with our customers that have bought a preowned home over the course of the last couple of years and are looking to upgrade. So that is part of the strategy as it relates to that higher retention that we've been discussing as it relates to our homeowners across the portfolio.

Anthony Hau

And when you upgrade a home from like standard to premium, you increased your pitch fee by 3x, right?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

It's going to depend, Anthony, on the size of that home and that site and where that site is in the portfolio. But yes, there is usually a premiumization, not just from the sale of the home, but also on the pitch fee side.

Anthony Hau

Okay. And just one quick question about revenue for using sites gain. I think the initial guidance assumed 2,400 to 2,700 site gains, has the underlying assumption for this metric change for the current guidance? And how confident are you to achieve this target given that only 233 sites were gained in the first quarter?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Anthony, no change to the expectations for the full year as it relates to the revenue-producing site gains across manufactured housing and RV for the year.

Operator

Our next question comes from John Pawlowski with Green Street.

John Joseph Pawlowski

I have 2 questions on the RV business. One, just a clarifying question on the comments made. So is it that the 8% shortfall in reservation pace, is that revenues for the second quarter and third quarter are trending 8% below a year ago? Is that just a number of reservations. Could you just be more specific on that stat?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Sure, John. The 8% number that I quoted is expected year-over-year decline in revenue growth for the full year. Currently, as it relates to the second quarter, we are expecting about an 8.6% decline in revenue year-over-year.

John Joseph Pawlowski

Okay. And then can you give me some on-the-ground details of what's going on with consumer demand right now? Which regions are you seeing the most pronounced softness? Is it -- or is it a property-type divergence for highly amenitized resorts are suffering? Is it camping? Can you just help me understand what your local teams are seeing, so we have a sense of consumer price sensitivity right now?

Gary A. Shiffman

John, generally, it's been pretty much across the Board with just a slower pace. So we're guiding a bit based on that year-over-year pacing, if you will. Second quarter has been quiet. We're approaching the seasonal communities that are opening up April, May and a little bit of weather issue impacts us a little bit if it did through the months, but it is mostly just the pacing across the Board.
So there's no one thing that we can point to, and we don't want to put an expectation of outperformance there. But certainly, we'll see if shorter and closer to normal visitations that the bookings don't pick up a little bit. And -- but for that, we really don't have anything to point to, we'd suggest we asked that question all the time of our management team. There is a return to a lot of other forms of vacation, as we all know, taking place out there across the Board. But we will keep you posted as to any other specific change that we would see. So there's nothing I could point to regionally or within a segment of our communities.

John Joseph Pawlowski

Okay. Final question from me. Fernando, the $0.14 you're adding back in transaction costs and nonrecurring G&A, it's not too far off from what the cost -- the magnitude of costs added back and in '23 and '22, during much more acquisitive years. And so outside of Royale Life, what else is in this specifically? What else is in this number? And I imagine Royale Life was known at the start of the year. So again, what drove the $0.07 incremental add-back guide versus guide?

Fernando Castro-Caratini

Sure. So it would be the activity that we saw in the first quarter that is largely driving that increase on a guide to guide basis, as we've shared with the market during February, we expected about $9.5 million of add-backs over the course of the year. We did surpass that in the first quarter and are now projecting that just above $18 million related to, as mentioned earlier, primarily these are debt deal costs of transactions that we have been underwriting. And we'll walk away from or have walked away from the transaction costs as detailed earlier as well.
We do have implementation expenses for our technology platforms that we amortize over a period of time, and it's the amount that we've spent to develop those technologies and implement them. But at this time, that add back for the full year is expected to be $18.4 million as detailed in yesterday's press release. So it would -- that's about $7 million of additional over the course of the rest of the year but that can change.

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I'd now like to turn the call over to Chairman, President and CEO, Gary Shiffman for closing remarks.

Gary A. Shiffman

Thank you, everybody. We just want to end, and letting everyone know we are very, very focused on the concept of understanding, closing the gap in valuation and we are working very, very hard with everything we do to move forward on that, and I look forward to speaking to everybody on the next quarterly call. Thank you, operator.

Operator

You're welcome. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation. Goodbye.